Lisa Druxman:Prioritizing Self Care to be a Better Caregiver

Andrea: [00:00:00] We are joined today with the remarkable Lisa Druxman, who is the founder of Fit for Mom.

Good morning, Lisa.

Lisa Druxman: Good morning, Andrea.

Track 1: We are so excited to have you on here. Um, I'm gonna just tell the audience a little bit about who you are and then we can get all into all of your nuggets of good information.

Lisa Druxman: Sounds good.

Track 1: Uh, as I mentioned before, Lisa is the founder of Fit for Mom, the country's largest fitness program for moms. She is also a noted speaker, author, podcaster, and just one of the earth's most beautiful humans that I know.

She is so authentic,

Lisa Druxman: I.

Track 1: and just. It's not your bio, but that's okay. Um, Lisa is passionate about helping women get out of the overwhelm and into a life of health and happiness. And I know we may have some men on here too, but the advice that she gives is really good . For parents across the board, she just has some really solid advice.

Lisa earned her master's degree at San Diego [00:01:00] State University in psychology with an emphasis in exercise adherence and weight control. She has authored two books, lean Mommy and The Empowered Mama, and in addition to authoring the books she has written for several well-known magazines and has appeared on NBC's today's show, CNN Access, Hollywood, just to name a few.

She's also been featured in print publications, including Entrepreneur, women's Day, good Housekeeping, self Fit for Pregnancy, fit Pregnancy, excuse me, American Baby, and More. Take a deep breath because this is a lot. She is the recipient of several awards for her successful business, and like I said before, can I just add that she is

. Um, she lives here in San Diego and with her, um, husband now. Her son and daughter are off at college, but I'm sure they'll be coming back to San Diego to visit. Um, she lives the fit for mom mission statement every single day, which is helping moms make strides and fitness, motherhood and life.

Welcome, Lisa.

Lisa Druxman: [00:02:00] Thanks for having me, Andrea. Excited to be here.

Track 1: I appreciate it. Tell us a little bit, um, about how you came across the Fit for Mom business and kind of your why in starting it.

Lisa Druxman: Yeah, so I was not looking to start a business and it didn't start as fit for mom. It started as stroller strides. I was on maternity leave with my son 21 years ago, and I was Out on a stroller walk and realized I had so many questions about motherhood, so I had this light bulb idea. I said, I'm gonna start a class in my local neighborhood and they can help me with all the questions that I need to know about motherhood, and I'll help them get back in shape. And long story short, um. The idea was stroller strides. It was a stroller based workout, and I was not the only one looking for that

Track 1: I know.

Lisa Druxman: idea took off. And here we are now, 22 years later. We are a national franchise. We're now fitness for every stage of motherhood. [00:03:00] We have over 200 franchisees, almost 2000 instructors, and

Track 1: Wow.

Lisa Druxman: touching a lot of lives across the country.

Track 1: That is amazing. I am going to share that, and you may not know this Lisa, but I, well, you know that I, um, I attended fit, um, fit for mom classes, not the stroller strides, but fit for mom. I should have done stroller strides. I wish I would've known about it, um, several years ago. And actually I had started and loved it.

Um, when my son was 10, my son got sick literally overnight, and I dropped everything.

Lisa Druxman: Mm-Hmm.

Track 1: dropped everything that I did to, to help him.

Lisa Druxman: Yeah.

Track 1: And looking back, I should have never dropped fit for mom. I should have never dropped those classes because everything you talked about in those classes, I. Is what I needed and I could reflect back on those messages when I was knee deep with his situation.

But I really needed, I needed the community. [00:04:00] I needed the reminder to take care of myself so I could be better for him and the rest of the family. So you have a near and dear place in my heart with what you have brought to this country. So thank you.

Lisa Druxman: To stop on ourselves.

Track 1: Yeah.

Lisa Druxman: You

Track 1: Yeah.

Lisa Druxman: are. Good at taking care of everyone else but themselves. And sometimes we forget that if we actually do take care of ourselves, that we can be the best mom, best wife, best friend, leader, um, you know, and we, we can't pour from an empty cup.

Track 1: No, we really can't. We really can't. And I'm not shoulding because you know what? Now I, now I'm making it right because I look back and I say, what can I, um, what can I learn from that experience? And the biggest thing I could have learned was I needed people and I needed to look out for myself during that.

So you gave that gift to me [00:05:00] just a little late. I just didn't, I didn't open it for a while.

So, um, also, can we talk about taking care of ourselves and the importance of, uh, even when it's the hardest to do, putting ourselves first for a few minutes, can you share three, four different self-care things that even the busiest of parent could do?

Lisa Druxman: Yeah, I mean it's, it's the number one thing that I get asked because it seems like moms at every stage of motherhood are living a life of overwhelm and they never feel like there's any time for themselves. And so I have a very Simple simple's not always easy way to turn that around. And so what I ask moms to do is think about like, are three things that are your minimum effective dose of self-care, like they're non-negotiables for you. So when I think of minimum effective dose, I think of like. giving medicine, like what is the least he needs to give you or she [00:06:00] needs to give you to get the result that you want. So what is the least that you need to get in to get the result that you want? That could be a certain number of hours of sleep.

That could be a certain amount of exercise. It could be something joyful. It could be meditation. You book those things first. So I'm all about time blocking and blocking your schedule. So those things are booked first. the things that seem like they're non-negotiables, but I find that most things are actually negotiable. You know, get plugged in after that. And then the things that end up falling off are, you know. Social media or television or

Track 1: right?

Lisa Druxman: maybe, you know, some of the social things, maybe you won't have as much time for that, but you're getting in what's most important to you first.

Track 1: Mm-Hmm.

Lisa Druxman: and I think that, I believe in all the pillars that it's, it's, I believe so much in fitness, but I also believe in restoration and I believe so much that one of the ways that we get [00:07:00] out of burnout, because many women since the pandemic really are in burnout is to figure out how to calm your nervous system and to restore. So

Track 1: Hmm.

Lisa Druxman: couple of tips for you.

Track 1: You know, you mentioned blocking time and . I can tell you that with kids that struggle with mental illness, it is chaotic on top of chaotic. However, they do sleep. And um, and I think back and I think, gosh, you know, an extra hour in the morning or an extra hour at night for just myself and block, that would've been key.

I may not have been able to do anything in the middle of the night, or I mean in the middle of the day, excuse me. But I have those extra hours. I just need to make them.

Lisa Druxman: I mean, when I'm speaking to sleep deprived moms, sleep, sleep, sleep is the number one thing. You gotta figure out how to get your

Track 1: Hmm. Yeah.

Lisa Druxman: once you're starting to get that sleep, biggest game changer in my life when my kids were little biggest game [00:08:00] changer hands down, was to start a morning ritual.

So I've been waking up at. Five in the morning for 22 years. And um, actually for a while it was four 30 in the morning, which sounds really crazy, but it gave me a solid hour. That was the only hour that was for me, and it's evolved over the years, what that looks like. But it's a combination of journaling and gratitude work and exercise so that the I set the tone and the energy for the rest of my day rather than a toddler or a teenager or everybody else's needs grabbing at you. So, um, I know that doesn't work for everybody, but I. For me that, and it still continues to be, I still, actually, even though my kids are all grown up and outta the house, I still wake up at five in the morning and that first hour of the day is for me.

So I don't look at my phone, I don't get on social media, I don't get on email. 'cause if I did, I would get sucked in just like everybody else. Um, so actually my favorite hour of the day. I'm not gonna [00:09:00] say I love when the alarm goes off,

Track 1: right.

Lisa Druxman: but I do love it. It, it is hands down. It's my best part of my day.

Track 1: Well, I don't get up that early, but when I do, I also find it's so tranquil and peaceful. I normally go straight to the gym if I get up that early and I just, I walk outside and I'm like, life is beautiful at that time of the day, so maybe I need to get up a little earlier. More often than not,

Lisa Druxman: there shitting on yourself again,

Track 1: No, I'm not, I'm not

I'm saying possibly I could rearrange my schedule. I'm not, should I still get my work? I get my workout in, but, oh,

Lisa Druxman: that.

Track 1: well, you know what? FEMA is telling us all that there is an emergency response system going on, so you guys get to hear this. It's forever documented. Um, but I think it's done now. Yeah. I thought they said it was gonna go off for like a minute.

I think they, I think well, we're done so. How you've talked to probably [00:10:00] thousands of mothers, and I think we all live in this state of guilt and shoulding as you had mentioned.

Lisa Druxman: Yeah.

Track 1: What's your advice on that? Guilty feeling that we carry around when we are trying to take a few moments to ourselves.

Lisa Druxman: Oh my goodness. If, if I could lift the, the guilt from every mom, that would be. So amazing because we all have it. Everybody has it, and, and we need to let go of it because you are good enough right where you are. You are perfect just as you are. And you know, we all show up doing the best that we can and the best that we know.

And even if you look back you know, and go, oh, I probably could have done that differently or should have done that differently. You, you did the best you could with. Where you are at and the resources that you had. um, I think we all need to let it go. Uh, I love the, [00:11:00] it's called Wabi-Sabi by in Japan.

Have you heard of it? Are you familiar

Track 1: I haven't, no.

Lisa Druxman: this is the most beautiful thing. So it's uh, God. It's more than art. It's really just a philosophy. And so you, if you look up Wabi-Sabi art, it's W-A-B-I-S-A-B-I.

Track 1: Okay.

Lisa Druxman: It's about finding the beauty and the imperfections. And

Track 1: Mm.

Lisa Druxman: Wabisabi art would be like a bowl that's totally cracked, and what they do

Fill it with gold and make it into something beautiful. And it is the imperfections that make it beautiful. And I just want all moms to realize that we are beautiful with all of our imperfections, we are right where we need to be. And you are the mom that your child needs. Um, and the best gift you can give to your kids is to make sure you're taking care of yourself. but. We all need to let go of the guilt, guilt and shame. Those are just these emotions and these feelings that, that weigh us down and [00:12:00] leave residual. there're, you know,

Track 1: Yeah.

Lisa Druxman: a lot of good stuff from Brene Brown on letting that go.

Track 1: And we need to let it go because we're not gonna be perfect. I remember, um, several years ago, I think I was on my daughter's like third school at this time, and I had to change her again. And I was just, I was a mess. 'cause I thought, oh, what if I make a mistake? What if this isn't the, the right school?

Blah, blah, blah. My mom said to me, she said, ma uh, Andrea, you know, Kate will know that you are doing this outta love.

Lisa Druxman: Yeah.

Track 1: And I, that's kind of stuck with me in realizing that I, I have done a lot of things wrong as a parent, but my kids knew that I was trying my best and that I was doing, and I was learning, and I was learning.

I think, I think that's the thing with guilt is that if we hold onto the guilt, we're not allowing ourselves the opportunity to learn. We're not, we're not taking, what is that good nugget out of that? Stressful or [00:13:00] imperfect time in our lives.

Lisa Druxman: Yeah. I love, uh, what your mom said to you. I mean, I love that saying, what would love do, like you're doing, what would love would do and I can't, I, I. Can't even begin to imagine all the moms with kids with special needs are, are trying to hold because regular life is hard already on its own.

Track 1: Mm-Hmm.

Lisa Druxman: And so the pivots that you have to make and the choices that you have to make, those come from love.

So there, there should be no guilt there.

Track 1: No guilt and no comparison either. I mean, everybody's journey is so unique and, uh, we all have our struggles. So we talk about the, the parents that have kids with special needs. Everybody has something that is hidden behind that door that is causing them, uh, some discomfort and we need to move through it.

Lisa Druxman: is the thief of joy

Track 1: Uh

Lisa Druxman: right? Like in my, my industry, in the fitness industry, like, [00:14:00] ugh, what a gift. If we could get to a place where we just accepted who we are

Track 1: mm-Hmm.

Lisa Druxman: I think you can have both. I think you can accept who you are and still wanna grow. I think

Track 1: absolutely.

Lisa Druxman: great and to evolve, but again, uh, yourself grace and space for sure.

Track 1: Yeah, but it is hard. I mean, I think as, as humans, we just always are constantly, and maybe it's under the guise of growth, but it, it really is. I mean, we really do look to see how can we improve things, but at the same time, how can we improve things without getting so hard on ourselves? Because,

Lisa Druxman: agreed.

Track 1: you know.

Lisa Druxman: is hard enough. We don't need to be hard on ourselves.

Track 1: We don't need to be hard on ourselves. Um, so the other thing that always struck me with Fit for Mom and um, you mentioned it when you said that you started, it was the community aspect

Lisa Druxman: Wow.

Track 1: and I. I think that is the beautiful thing about what you've created. Um, [00:15:00] share a little bit about what you see with moms that come in for the first time, or you know, how they are adapting and feeling part of a community and the importance of that.

Lisa Druxman: Yeah, I, I, I think you nailed it. I think that the magic of Fit for Mom is the community. I think women come for the fitness, but they stay for the community and you know, 'cause you experienced it that I have so many moms that Two decades ago that are still the best of friends.

Track 1: right?

Lisa Druxman: I really wanted to create a safe place where all moms are welcome. And uh, I needed that for myself because I was always the awkward one that never was sure if I could fit in. So

Track 1: Mm-Hmm.

Lisa Druxman: if I was creating a community I wanted to. To be a place where everybody is welcome and that there's not cliques and that we are all there kind of united as a sisterhood and motherhood. And that's what brings us all together. And so, you know, we have so many shared values moms and we [00:16:00] have so many shared experiences. And you get new moms who have so many questions, but then moms who you know are the sage wisdom because they maybe experienced it a year ago.

Track 1: right.

Lisa Druxman: so we share that with one another. you know, share these beautiful stages of motherhood together. So, um, the community's a huge, huge part of it for mom for sure.

Track 1: And, you know, one of the things that I didn't necessarily experience when I was there, but, but that was again, because . Because I withdrew. But I, you know, I recently read, um, that one of your, uh, um, franchisees has an, uh, child with autism and I, I look back and I think to myself, I could have leaned on.

Maybe opened up a little bit more to people and allowed myself to get that community instead of, again, the guise of everything being perfect or that people with Neurotypical Chi kids wouldn't understand. And I think now we're seeing more and more opportunities [00:17:00] for people to share their trials and tribune of, uh, you know, motherhood.

Lisa Druxman: Yeah, so Fit for Mom is kind of unique because we have both in-person experiences, the actual classes, then much every location across the country also has online groups. So

Track 1: Oh.

Lisa Druxman: connected both virtually and in person. Which it seems like it's usually either or. And I am so touched by the amount of moms with kids with special needs and how they lean on each other and learn from one another.

And, um, you know, I think that's just how do we lift each other up and the community part, I think about, you know, In in past villages, communities, like we raise children together. Like they say it takes a village 'cause that's really how it happened.

Track 1: Mm-Hmm.

Lisa Druxman: in our society now we have a kid, you might have somebody come visit you for a couple weeks to help out and then pretty much mom is on our own.[00:18:00] 

Track 1: Right.

Lisa Druxman: We've lost that sisterhood, that community. so I feel like with what Fit for Mom is that that's naturally being brought back where we are. Like the women bring food for each other when babies are

Track 1: Hmm.

Lisa Druxman: and, and childcare help and so much, so many different ways to support one another.

Track 1: Well, I didn't realize that you still were holding online classes too, which is actually a beautiful thing for any mom really. But if you can't pull away, you can still, you can still, you know, turn on your computer at home and get a little dose of self-care and connection right within your own four walls.

So that is.

Lisa Druxman: I mean, online workouts are definitely not gonna go anywhere. We pivoted fast when the pandemic happened, so now we have fit for mom on demand, which is nice because you know, if your kid's not feeling well, you can still get your workout in. Or if there's not a fit for mom in your city or town, at least there's a way for you to still take advantage of some of the exercises.[00:19:00] 

Track 1: Absolutely. Absolutely. If you could share . Wisdom over the past 22 years about motherhood, about life, about anything. I mean really, , what? What would you say that you have really learned and has been valuable for you as a mom, as a human, as just a, you know, a person out there in the world.

Lisa Druxman: Um, wow, that's a big question, Andrea.

Track 1: is, I know.

Lisa Druxman: It's, it's big. Uh, and I don't know if that, I have such a big, wise answer, but what's bubbling up for me is it goes faster than any cliche says it's going to, and especially for the young moms out there. Like, the days are so long. I remember that. But the years go by so fast. So. Be there, be present. I think, you know, um, the early years trying to raise a business and kids at the same time, [00:20:00] I was trying to do both at once. that just means you feel like you're not doing anything well.

Track 1: Right.

Lisa Druxman: I wish I had learned what I know now about blocking and really getting more people to support me and not feeling like you need to do it all. I think that. So many of us, especially as young moms, feel like we've gotta do everything. And I really realize now there's actually very little that only I need to do. Almost

Track 1: Hmm.

Lisa Druxman: can be done by someone else. And the things that I need to do are to be present with my kids, to be present with my business, but not all parts of it. Um, to enjoy the ride. 'cause it's going to, to go by fast. So experiences, over staring at a screen because know it's gonna go by fast.

Track 1: Yeah, I think that is one of the messages that I hear too, is that to be present, you know, I, I don't know if it was our generation or what that was like, we, we just have to keep going, going, going. And yeah, it was hustle [00:21:00] and it was never slowed down. And luckily that's changing, I think. And one of the things I think that is changing that is this dedication to mindfulness.

Um, and I'm still not very good at that. I try, I do try. But what have you found with mindfulness and um, 'cause I know you practice that every single day, don't you?

Lisa Druxman: I do, and it's because I need it so much. Um, so I clinically do have ADHD, so, you know, but I feel like almost everyone does nowadays. And so my, my team calls me a monkey brain that it's all over the place. So, um. I practice mindfulness in many ways and, and blocking, not just in meditation, but also just trying to be present with what I'm doing, but also not being frustrated about it.

So like when people think of meditation, they think like, oh, I need to sit there and not have my mind wander, which is completely impossible. The mind is move. the funny thing is that when you bring your mind, to whatever [00:22:00] you're trying to focus on. So in meditation, that could be your breath, it could be a sound. It is the act of bringing it back to the focus that is strengthening your brain and making those neuro connections. if, if you were actually able to sit there with no thoughts. That wouldn't change anything in your brain.

Track 1: True.

Lisa Druxman: changing in your brain is going, oh, I'm aware that my mind is wandering.

I need to come back to it. So a lot of that I think, um, for me is, is stopping multitasking and being totally present for one thing at a time. only do I do time blocking, but I block based on the type of work that I'm doing because doing a podcast with you or writing is a very different part of my brain than just Going through email. So if you try to, if, if every hour is the same, it's just too hard for your brain to bounce back. So I really block days for different themes and different kind of sections of my day so that I can be present [00:23:00] for it. And taking breaks makes a really big difference. I think that that's one of the things also that I learned get away from the hustle.

It's like you felt like you needed to just pound out every single moment of the day, and then you were just so burned out by three o'clock, four o'clock. Five o'clock, depending on your own bio rhythm. And so by being purposeful about actually taking breaks and like going out, no, I work from home now, so going out and working in my garden or

Track 1: Right.

Lisa Druxman: for a walk, actually have so much more clarity and focus for the work that I do.

So mindfulness doesn't just come from sitting and meditating,

Track 1: Uh.

Lisa Druxman: am a fan of it.

Track 1: Yeah, I keep trying and I'll keep trying because I, I, well, like you said though, the, the trying, that is the important part of it, right?

Lisa Druxman: It is. And so sit, uh, a seated meditation is the hardest kind of meditation you can do. And there's some really, really great

Track 1: Hmm.

Lisa Druxman: research coming out right now about the power of breath work

Track 1: Yeah.

Lisa Druxman: kinds of breath exercises. And I am a huge fan of it. In fact, [00:24:00] I'm teaching a whole session on breath work at our conference next week.

Track 1: Really,

Lisa Druxman: And, uh,

Track 1: I.

Lisa Druxman: if you follow Dr. Angie Huberman, there's

Track 1: I.

Lisa Druxman: research coming outta Stanford right now

Track 1: Mm-Hmm.

Lisa Druxman: people are getting more benefits from breath work than they are from meditation. Because honestly, it's easier because you're like, okay, I'm focusing on actually, can we do something right now? Can we do it

Track 1: Yeah. We can do it. Yeah, let's do it.

Lisa Druxman: you know, you, you could even do this when driving. So just sit up nice and tall.

Track 1: Okay.

Lisa Druxman: I'm gonna have you breathe in for four counts, and then we're gonna exhale for six counts.

Track 1: Okay. Okay.

Lisa Druxman: your breath out. Breathe in, 2, 3, 4. Release, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. One more time in two. Three, four. Release. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. [00:25:00] All right. First of all, how do you feel right now? Do you feel any different?

Track 1: I do, I feel

Lisa Druxman: isn't that crazy that you can feel different from two rounds of

Track 1: Yes. Yes,

Lisa Druxman: and chances are your mind didn't wander that much because you gave it a job to do?

Track 1: you're right.

Lisa Druxman: You were focused.

Track 1: You're right. I didn't even think about not thinking about anything else.

Lisa Druxman: I know because you were already in a flow state, a purposeful focused state.

Track 1: Hmm.

Lisa Druxman: You are calming

Track 1: Yeah.

Lisa Druxman: nervous system and so it's such a great thing to do. Especially, you know, again, I. Working with kids, you know, with special needs. Like, there are probably so many stressful moments in the day. So if you could just take a handful of breaks throughout the day and do a few breathing exercises, and there are so many free apps out there that

Track 1: Yeah.

Lisa Druxman: do a two minute breath work, five minute breath work, or you just do it on your own just like we did. And it will change your physiological state. [00:26:00] It'll change your energy and how you're gonna respond to the next moment with your kids or. Boss or whoever.

Track 1: That's just amazing to me. I actually took a class at, um, a local studio here called Breathe, and um, I thought I was gonna enjoy the cold plunge before the breath work. And it, the breath work was . So hard. It was 20 minutes, but I felt incredible afterwards.

Lisa Druxman: absolutely.

Track 1: In the middle of it, I thought I was gonna die because it

Lisa Druxman: It's actually a workout I'm very familiar with, with Breathe Degrees. It's a great studio here in San Diego and it is actually a physical workout. People are thinking they're gonna come for this calm breathing, like, kind of like what we just did, but it is very expansive and it's um, it's such a workout that when I brought my son, he, his core was sore because he was like doing

Track 1: Wow.

Lisa Druxman: breath expansion through his rib cage. And honestly probably 'cause he's so tight there,

Track 1: Oh, right,

Lisa Druxman: We all [00:27:00] need, we wanna be able to move because most of us don't breathe correctly. You're hear hearing that a lot lately

Track 1: right.

Lisa Druxman: we breathe in this very constricted way. And so what happens if you're, you know, your muscles that 'cause your lungs don't have any muscles. I feel like I'm totally getting us on a tangent. Sorry.

Track 1: I love this stuff. I get geeked out on it, so let's go

Lisa Druxman: Your lungs don't have any muscles. So the only way your lungs moves from your diaphragm and from your intercostals. So if you're super tight in your intercostals, you're not getting a chance to truly breathe correctly.

Track 1: Okay, so what's an intercostal? I know what a lung is, but,

Lisa Druxman: the muscles that are around your rib cage, around your,

Track 1: okay.

Lisa Druxman: thoracic.

Track 1: Okay.

Lisa Druxman: what moves and that's what pumps your lungs.

Track 1: Oh, that was the one thing. It was when we were laying down and we had the mask on and everything and, and I was breathing and you're focusing so much on your diaphragm. And, but then they also tell you that you, you are . You are oxygenated enough and they make you just like not breathe. And I thought, oh no.

And [00:28:00] my head was going and going and going. I'm like, no, no, no, no. I need to breathe. I need to breathe. And I kept on pushing that away saying, I don't need to breathe. I don't need to breathe right now. I can, I can wait until they release it. And then I released it. And then the next time I went, I had a lot more confidence that I wasn't gonna die.

And they, they weren't there to kill me, you know? But I did. I felt incredible. Not only from, I think the endorphins, but I think . The amount that it just came in and, and, and relaxed my body. And really treated my body well on something that I don't do every day.

Lisa Druxman: And you can do that kind of breath work at home. You don't, I mean, I love, I love the classes,

Track 1: Yeah,

Lisa Druxman: Can't always get to a class.

Track 1: right.

Lisa Druxman: and once you learn it, then you can do it on your own. But if you haven't learned it, uh, Wim h has an app for it. I think Breathe Degrees has an app for it.

Track 1: Okay.

Lisa Druxman: there's another one called Peak Flow

Track 1: I.

Lisa Druxman: um, I think all of them at least start free.

So it's like once you learn the exercises,

Track 1: Yeah.

Lisa Druxman: it from home. So it's a really great way to. Change your whole physio [00:29:00] physiology, you know, without exercise.

Track 1: Right.

Lisa Druxman: and, you know, decompress a little bit.

Track 1: And doing it at home and doing it, I mean, gosh, you could even do it in the grocery store. I mean, not really, but you could. Right.

Lisa Druxman: The breathing exercise you and I did, you could do in

Track 1: right,

Lisa Druxman: store

Track 1: right.

Lisa Druxman: exercise we do at breathing degrees, which is, um, a type of hyperventilation that, um, that's their breath holds.

Track 1: Yeah,

Lisa Druxman: the point

Track 1: that,

Lisa Druxman: to get your body more tolerant to carbon dioxide, which I always think is bad,

Track 1: oh.

Lisa Druxman: actually, you actually need carbon dioxide in order for you to be able to absorb the oxygen. So it's, it's all about having the right balance of it. So that one you couldn't do in the market.

Track 1: No, no, don't do that one. Yes.

Lisa Druxman: Don't

Track 1: thank you for looking out for the safety of our, uh, our guests here, . Well, Lisa, I know that we are short on time and I wanna make sure that I'm being respectful of that for you. I really appreciate you and what you've done, not only from a personal level, from a very personal level, but also from, [00:30:00] you know, a more global level with, with mothers out there.

So thank you so much.

Lisa Druxman: Thank you for having me and, and. My best energy, love, and positivity to all of your listeners.

Track 1: Thank you, Lisa. 

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